PART 5:

LAWYER VICTOR ZAMMIT CROSS-EXAMINES SKEPTIC James RANDI

(This would be fairly close to a real cross-examination- the information is taken from what closed-minded materialist J.Zwingi Randi has ALREADY ACCEPTED and IMPLIED. Some very minor flexibility and embellishment consistent with Zwingi Randi’s beliefs and record have been used for easier reading and understanding of the script. In no way this closed minded skeptic's beliefs are misrepresented. Words in caps are there for emphasis - very important in cross-examination).

‘CROSS-EXAMINATION’ – THE POLICE v Randi

'PSYCHIC DETECTIVES' & 'PSYCHIC INVESTIGATORS'

Senior police officers and detectives tell millions of television viewers around the world that psychics produce relevant physical evidence when cases go 'cold' to help police close cases.

(The names of all police and psychics in this cross-examination are the real names of the police officers and psychics involved in real cases taken from classic television documentaries PSYCHIC DETECTIVES and PSYCHIC INVESTIGATORS. All quotes by the police officers are word for word as stated by these officers. The psychics mentioned below are highly GIFTED psychics who have repeatedly proved their exceptionally brilliant psychic skills over many years to the police and the public. Not too many psychics are in this category).

Victor: Have you been rubbishing the police lately?

Randi (Cautiously) : No, no, no … I have a lot of respect for the police … I think they do marvelous work …

Victor: Have you ever attacked the COMPETENCE of the police?

Randi: Never! As I said, the police do marvelous work for the people … we owe a great deal to the police … I never attacked the competence of the police …

Victor: Have you ever indirectly called the police ‘frauds’?

Randi: No, no … I have not … I never do …

Victor: Do you think the police are smart and tough …

Randi: Absolutely! They have to be very smart and very tough to deal with tough criminals and troublemakers …

Victor: Are you familiar with the police officers there in Vero Beach in Florida?

Randi: (cautiously) I don’t know them personally … but I am sure they are police with integrity …

Victor: One of the cases involved senior police officers Captain Larry Tippins and Sergeant Phil Redstone of the River County Sherriff’s Office. Some years ago they investigated the Ling case – where Mrs Ling and her 17 year old daughter were brutally executed – are you familiar with the case?

Randi: No … I’m not ..

Victor: These two senior police officers I mentioned worked on the case - it went completely cold and they had no more leads. So they called on a former police officer Phil Jordan, who is now a gifted psychic helping the police. Now both these officers stated on television to millions of people in the United States and around the world, that the gifted psychic was very helpful. Captain Larry Tippins said, “The psychic helped us to put these criminals away and certainly opened my eyes to use psychics in the future” Sergeant Redstone stated in his own words, "I will use psychics again". Now, why is it that highly respectable, highly intelligent and highly experienced, tough senior police officers accept the existence of the paranormal and you don’t. Would you be calling these senior officers FRAUDS?

Randi: No they’re not frauds, but they’re wrong about the psychic … besides that’s hearsay …

Victor: Your Honor, the police statements are expressed in direct speech - what the police officers themselves actually said. It’s NOT coming through a third party. What the police said about the psychic in direct speech is critical. The issue here is not whether what the police stated was true but the fact that the senior police officers actually said what they did. (Victor looking at Randi). Of course, it will be up to the members of the jury whether to believe the senior police officers ... or to believe you ….

Judge: Yes, yes, go on …

Victor (to Randi): You mean to say that highly intelligent, highly experienced, highly qualified police officers with many years experience were fooled by a PSYCHIC – IS THAT WHAT YOU’RE SAYING?

Randi: No no, no …

Victor (going towards Randi): Is it not also possible that YOU don’t understand what a psychic is and what a psychic does?

Randi: I do …

Victor: Or is it above your head that the police deal with psychics because gifted psychics help police get PHYSICAL EVIDENCE to convict criminals.

Randi: (Does not answer … then quietly) … a one off that could have been mistaken as psychic …

Victor: A ONE-OFF you suggest? (addressing His Honor … item G – court attendant gives copies to the members of the jury) … Here is a list of highly experienced tough senior police officers – their cases taken from the documentary television series PSYCHIC DETECTIVES and PSYCHIC INVESTIGATORS. These police officers stated on television to millions of people in the United States and around the world that they obtained critical PHYSICAL EVIDENCE which CLOSED the cases as a result of information given to them by gifted psychics and mediums. I will quote the police officers word for word.

(Victor looks at the members of the jury) I refer to case number 1- the Nicole Arochas murder. After working with gifted psychic Frank St John, senior police officer Captain William Gawron of SAYREVILLE Police Department confirmed about this psychic, “I was skeptical at first … I still don’t know how they do what they do … but I certainly would work with a psychic again in the future.” Detective Novak of Sayreville Police said, “The (psychic) does indeed have special psychic powers … I certainly would like to have that power!” (from the episode 'Pushed Too Far' - Madelyn Brudner Co-ordinating Producer- Robyn Hutt Series)

Case number 2: Kurt Hameline, Assistant District Attorney of Oneida County stated words to the effect that using gifted psychics was critical in providing physical evidence to catch the murderers. Phil Jordan gave the police critical information – some fifteen most relevant facts – which led to the arrest and conviction of three murderers now serving 100 years in prison each. Sheriff Bill Hasenaurer of Oneida Country Sheriff’s Office, stated “I accept the psychics’ role in helping with murder cases – and I will call them again – because they get results. I am now a great BELIEVER IN PSYCHICS HELPING THE POLICE”. Sgt. Lynton Clark of Oneida Sheriff’s Office said, "Yes, I completely agree about the use of psychics in solving murders.

Case Number 3- the Sylvester Tonet case: Gifted psychic Nancy Myer gave information to detective Will Greenaway from Montroeville that made it possible for the Monroeville Police to find the missing man. Detective Will Greeway said - to quote him, "I was skeptical at first, but as the psychic began to forward information about the case, I knew I was dealing with a genuine psychic because all information was deadly accurate …”

Case Number 4- The Shilie Turner murder: Gifted psychic Valerie Morrison was contacted by Detective Frank Martin of Philadelphia Police Dept on a recommendation from the FBI. The case had gone completely cold. The victim was Shilie Turner, 21 year old Olympic hopeful female athlete who failed to return home one night. Valerie Morrison assisted the police to obtain physical evidence which led to the closing of the case. Detective Martin said, “All the information given to us by the psychic was ONE HUNDRED PER CENT CORRECT.”

Case number 5: Detective Lou Masterbone from Morris County Sheriff’s office stated in the Keyes Children abduction case: “If it wasn’t for (gifted) psychic Nancy Weber in this case we would not have gotten the (kidnapped) children back … her insight, her help … we could not have done it without her.”

Case number 6: . Detective Joseph Uribe of Montana Dept. of Justice stated that the assistance given by highly gifted psychic Noreen Renier in the missing person Walter Sullivan case was “accurate in every detail.”

Case number 7. The Rose Swartwood case - Detective David Olszowy, Sergeant Charles Patterson, Lt. Mike Mucci from Cheming County Sheriff’s department New York were involved in the investigation of a murder. Lieutenant Mike Mucci called Phil Jordan, a gifted psychic who was a former police officer. Lt Mucci stated that the psychic was “one hundred per cent correct with the information given”. Other police officers also stated that the psychic was brilliant: “I don’t care how it (psychic phenomena) works. I don’t know how it works – the main thing is that the bad guy gets caught.”

Case number 8: The kidnap murder of 'Jamie Case' involving Midwest City Police Department, Oklahoma City Police Department and County Sheriff’s Office. Detective Paul Zeckman said, (supported by Detective Dan Evans, Police Officer Patrick Quigley, and Assistant District Attorney Diedre Esherman. Detective Pam Garrick – all in agreement), “I don’t know how these psychics do it. But they perform a service we cannot ignore. One day psychic witnesses testimony will be admitted as evidence. In the past DNA and polygraphs were not admitted in evidence, so it will be only a matter of time before psychic evidence will be admitted because of the critical information they give us to solve murders.”

Case number 9. The Murder of ‘Owen E’. Lompoc Police Department – near Santa Barbara – engaged the services of brilliant psychic Dixie Yeterian who has a record of assisting other police departments and the FBI. Detective Mel Ramos (Ret.) of Lompoc Police Department stated, “The psychic solved the mystery really… the psychic accurately described what happened to the murdered father.” He added … “but for her psychic skills the murder would not have been solved because the matter came to an absolute dead end.”

Case number 10. Police sergeant Richard Keaton of Marin County Police Department homicide division with 30 years of experience stated in a 1998 program (prepared by Discovery Communications for the Science of the Impossible series) that he often calls in gifted psychic Annette Martin. He stated: “She (the psychic) actually obtains the critical information - physical evidence. I don’t ask too many questions because I have seen too many successes … When Annette comes to the (Police) Department we normally sit in a quiet office. I give her a brief outline of what the case is about. Annette concentrates … goes into meditation … and starts sharing verbally with us the things she’s seeing or perceiving … we take her to the crime scene … and would ask her what she can see … about evidence … and she’s able to replay that like a video tape like a movie …”

Case number 11. Mt Pleasant Police Department (Iowa) Police Chief August Hagers said of gifted psychic Phil Jordan after the case was completed, “Psychics have their place … what Phil had seen was accurate … they (psychics) have something we don’t have … they have a sixth sense. I would do it again and call psychic Phil Jordan.” This had to do with the brutal killing of Clementine Beavers and her sixteen year old daughter. The case had gone completely cold until the psychic was called in to assist.

Case number 12- The disappearance of Norman Lewis. This case involved WILLISTON POLICE DEPARTMENT, FLORIDA. Senior Detective Slauter and Sergeant Baxter called in gifted psychic Noreen Renier when the case went cold. Senior detective Slauter said, "Noreen Reiner - the psychic gave us everything we needed to find Mr Lewis ... and I am convinced that if we didn't use a psychic in this case, Mr Lewis would still be at the bottom of that quarry ...".

Case number 13- The murder of Norma Hofer. Captain Gary Colla, from the Santa Clara Sheriff’s Department, said about gifted psychic Donielle Gordon, “ … she (the psychic) gave me accurate information the first time, why can’t it be true for the second time?” and the Captain continues, “… it turns out that Donielle was an investigator too, like a fingerprint expert or an expert analyzing clothing fiber …was one piece of the puzzle that helped bring it all together. Well done job.” And Deputy Michelle Sandri who worked on the case with Captain Gary Colla, said, “ (what Donielle the psychic did) … makes you believe in psychics. Because of the psychic we resolved it real quick instead of taking months or years …”

Case number 14- Assistant District Attorney of Jefferson Parish Office, W.J. Le Blanc could not resolve a crime concerning the brutal murder of Janet Myers. He called gifted psychic Rosemary Kerr. After the crime was solved and the case was closed, Assistant District Attorney said, “Rosemary’s contribution to this case was significant …I relied on Rosemary for details …There are clearly individuals in this world who have an ability that are beyond our normal five senses. Rosemary (the psychic) is such a person.”

Case number 15. Virginia’s Staunton Police in 1979– Deputy Ronnie Whisman said about gifted psychic Noreen Renier, “We (the police) were impressed by the psychic on the important information she was able to give us … everything she said about the case came true.” Special Agent Darrel Stilwell said, “ .. obviously she has (psychic) power … gives you something extra to work with.” Deputy Ronnie Whisman asked the psychic “when will the rapist be caught?” The psychic replied, “Before Christmas.”The criminal was caught on the 22nd December 1979.

Case number 16. Detective Larry Beaver, Oklahoma, Police Department said about gifted psychic Sally Hadding, who assisted the police in solving the Larry Ambrow case, “I’d enjoy the opportunity to work with the psychic Sally Hadding again to get a feeling really and truly how a psychic works. I was very much amazed with Sally …. I truly believe there are people in the world that do have abilities beyond the normal person’s … Sally to me was a real person with a real psychic gift."

Case number 17. DETECTIVE RON ROARKE, Ennis Texas Police Department, after the gifted psychic – John Catchings – gave the police directions on how to find the critical physical evidence - where to find the body of Michael Dickens and where to find the killer – and after the police arrested and convicted the killer, Detective Ron Roarke said, “ …When you go all through the normal law enforcement leads … when you try everything you can try, when you get mama still sitting crying holding the picture of her dead daughter or son, the thing to do is to take one more step. If you have not taken that step (of calling a gifted psychic ), if you have not done that …you have not done everything humanly possible to help these parents because there is no hurt like a lost child.”

Case number 18: Zachary Police Department: the Police v Tod Lee case - the rapist serial case. Six women were brutally raped and killed. Lieutenant David McDavid stated, “(Regarding gifted psychic Jeanne Borgen) I’ve never dealt with psychics on a day-to-day basis …My feelings are that if the good Lord gives you that (psychic) power, use it to assist law enforcements in very way.” Forensic expert and consultant Ann Williams confirming the contribution made by the gifted psychic in providing physical evidence, said, “Without psychic Jeanne Borgan, we would have been chasing our tails. I wouldn’t have known he was a black man … I wouldn’t have found our witnesses.”

Case number 19: BELPRE POLICE DEPARTMENT, OHIO. The McCrady Case. Jenifer McCrady was found buried brutally murdered by a gunshot to the head. Police had no more leads. Detective Sergeant Dave Garvey called gifted medium Georgia Rudolph. The psychic told Detective Garvey that the missing person was dead, she told him WHO killed the victim and WHERE they could find the body– brilliant physical evidence the police did not have. Kevin Rings, Assistant District Attorney said, “Without Jenifer’s body being found we wouldn’t have been able to file a charge against Mr McCrady … It would simply be an unsolved missing person case.” Detective Dave Garvey said, “Georgia’s guidelines and thoughts whatever you want to say … led us to first find Jenifer … we were able to get the bad guy who is now in jail … and the family feels better.” Monica Tanner, a former employee of the Belpre Police Department said, “Georgia made a world of difference. She solved the case.” (Till Death Do Us Part episode).

Case number 20: DES PLAINES POLICE DEPT- The Robert Piest case - the most brutal case in U.S. history – the murders of 27 young boys killed by John Wayne Gacy. Thanks to psychic, Carol Broman (experienced working with the police), many bodies were found buried under the suspect’s house. Lt. Joe Kozenczak said: “The amazing thing is that the police didn’t know about these all murders … she (the psychic) told us. I became a believer in psychics.” Psychic Dorothy Allison from New Jersey also was able to assist in this case directing the police in Chicago – from New Jersey – where there were able to find the dead body of one of the victims, Robert Piest.

Case number 21: The Louise Williams case in Berlin, Maryland, U.S. in1991. Detective Sergeant Bill Gordy, Maryland State Police and Maryland Trooper Paul Frick. Gifted psychic is Deborah Heinecker, also a computer programmer. Case went virtually cold. Police thought the missing person Louise Williams had ran away with some guy. But the gifted psychic said her son-in-law Billy killed her. The gifted psychic provided the relevant physical evidence - (when and how the victim was murdered and where to find the body) - for the police to solve the crime. Detective Sergeant Bill Gordy said, “I personally believe the psychic played a pivotal role in this case. I’d like to think we could have done it without her, however, that’s not the case. Her predictions were the key which led the accused to confess." Maryland Police Trooper Paul Frick (known for his strong skepticism about psychics BEFORE the case) said, “So if someone to-day asked me what I think of psychics, I have to say I have changed my views completely and I’d listen to a psychic.”

Judge: Mr Zammit, how far do you want to go with this?

Victor: Your Honor, these are just twentyone cases selected from fifty cases I already submitted in 'g'.. They represent how informed police officers perceive gifted psychics who helped them to solve crime. All the police are saying the same thing in all these fifty reports: that they find psychics help them collect the relevant physical evidence to convict the accused or to find missing persons. I don’t want to waste the court’s time and I don’t think at this stage it is necessary to add more of the same type of evidence to make the point … besides members of the jury have the list ...

His Honor: Yes, yes, go on ....

Victor to Randi: Now, are you saying that these tough hardened, senior police officers who repeatedly stated that gifted psychics were critical in helping them find the physical evidence they needed to solve crimes are being fraudulent to millions of viewers around the world?

Randi: (Very quiet, no response …..)

Victor: Are these police misleading the public?

Randi: (no answer)

Victor: ANSWER THE QUESTION YES OR NO!

Randi: No they're not ...

Victor: Are the police telling lies about the psychics

Randi: (no answer) ...

Victor: ANSWER THE QUESTION!

Randi: I don't know...

Victor: Are you imputing that these senior police officers are using their powerful influence to deliberately corrupt the millions of viewers around the world?

Randi: (quietly) No ...

Victor: After hearing the number of police officers - and I have dozens of other officers just like them - who say they find psychics helping the police with physical evidence, would you concede you are wrong in not accepting the validity of the paranormal?

Randi: I will never concede that ...

Victor: Don't worry the members of the jury heard that ....Ever heard the saying that there will never be enough scientific evidence for those who will not accept the evidence?

Randi: (Keeps quiet)

Victor: Yes, yes… that says it all!

JULY 22nd 2011

PART 6 Cross-examination

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