Part 7. MORE ON THE FRAUDULENT PARANORMAL CHALLENGE

(This would be fairly close to a real cross-examination- the information is taken from what closed-minded materialist J.Zwingi Randi has ALREADY ACCEPTED and IMPLIED. Some very minor flexibility and embellishment consistent with Zwingi Randi’s beliefs and record have been used for easier reading and understanding of the script. In no way this closed minded skeptic's beliefs are misrepresented. Words in caps are there for emphasis - very important in cross-examination).

Part 7: ‘CROSS-EXAMINATION OF THE CLOSED MINDED SKEPTIC’ - WHY PROFESSIONAL PSYCHICS AND MEDIUMS DO NOT TAKE THE ALLEGED MILLION DOLLAR CHALLENGE SERIOUSLY:

Victor: Back to your alleged challenge. Have you put on oath an undertaking to abide by the conditions of your alleged challenge?

Randi: No … it’s not necessary …

Victor: Do you not agree – given your background - that IF YOUR CHALLENGE IS TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY, you need to be prepared to be legally bound by its conditions?

Randi: No, I don’t agree with that …

Victor: Don’t you think it will show the applicant you really have an HONEST challenge?

Randi: No ….

Victor: Have you not heard that psychics and mediums are totally ignoring your challenge because you can renege – you can go back on the deal even after the applicant succeeds in passing the first test?

Randi: They’re not ignoring my challenge …

Victor: Is it not a fact that if you put the conditions of your challenge on oath and you renege you could go to jail for years for perjury – and that’s why your challenge is not taken seriously?

Randi: My challenge is taken seriously …

Victor: Is that so? In the last forty years, how many internationally known highly professional and gifted psychics and mediums, some of whom have been tested by scientists, applied to meet your challenge?

Randi ..(Does not answer) ….

Victor: HOW MANY I asked … ANSWER THE QUESTION!

Randi: (still quiet)

Victor: (Looks at judge) ..

Judge: Yes, yes, (looks at Randi) answer the question …

Randi: (Very quietly …) No one …

Victor: Could you repeat that more loudly, that came across as a whisper …

Randi: All right … NO ONE … but I had a number …

Victor: GIFTED MEDIUMS I said, not just any clown calling himself or herself a psychic or a medium …

Randi: No one …

Victor: Is it not true that the record shows that NOT ONE professional psychic, NOT ONE medium in some 40 years applied … because they perceive YOUR challenge as the GREATEST HOAX, the GREATEST, MOST DISGUSTING JOKE in paranormal history?

Randi: No, my challenge is genuine …

Victor: Yes … so you say …Why are you failing the public at large by trying to use deception in your conditions leaving critical essentials such as what constitutes a successful result?

Randi: I am not using deception …

Victor: So, WHO determines whether or not the applicant passed the first test?

Randi: … If a psychic performs successfully, then anyone would see that the applicant has been successful …

Victor: WHO has the final decision as to whether or not the psychic passed the first test?

Randi: (Quietly) … I suppose I would be the one …

Victor: Ultimately, YOU would be the one you said? If that’s the case, are you not ACTING AS JUDGE AND JURY in your OWN CAUSE which fundamentally violates EQUITY and which makes your challenge clearly another hoax? – answer the question yes or no.

Randi: I don’t have to answer that …

Victor: (Looks at the judge)…

Judge: Yes, yes, (to Randi) you must answer the question … Randi: I can’t answer that question ..

Victor: (looks at the judge)

Judge: Answer the question or I hold you in contempt …

Randi: Yes, I suppose I would be judging in my own cause but I will be fair …

Victor: Fair as you were in the similar hoaxes we’ve already covered – the Carlos Affair … the Alpha Project ….?

Randi: In my mind I think I’m fair …

Victor: If you conceded that you are acting as a judge and jury in your own cause in the psychic tests, does not that show it is IMPOSSIBLE for an applicant to beat ANY test?

Randi: It’s possible to pass the test …

Victor: Are you not just like the Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan being asked whether African Americans are just as intelligent as white people?

Randi: I don’t like to be compared to the Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan ..

Victor: Is not the analogy EXACTLY the same – someone making a decision in his own cause?

Randi: I don’t see it that way …

Victor: Of course not! If you want to come across as being honest, decent and someone with integrity, will you permit highly informed INDEPENDENT experts to adjudicate as truly independent judges to decide if the challenge test has been successful?

Randi: NO NO NO … NEVER …

Victor: So, you have this ridiculous challenge all scientists, genuine mediums and psychics totally ignore … with ridiculous conditions all favoring you – and you are acting as judge and jury and when no appeal is allowed - and you expect gifted psychics and mediums not to treat your challenge as the MOST FRAUDULENT CHALLENGE IN PARANORMAL HISTORY?

Randi: They’ll have to try first …

Victor: When your CONDUCT, your HISTORY, your PRACTICE, your MANIPULATIONS, your expressly stated statements and imputations ALL say that you do NOT accept the paranormal and the afterlife evidence – how can there be honest and impartial assessment of any psychic results?

Randi: (No answer …) They can sue me if they like …

Victor: Until very recently you had a condition which made the applicant formally surrender all legal rights to you. But if you decided to renege by either going bankrupt or by saying you don’t have the money that would have left you off the hook. What motivated you to change your mind about that – the conditions of the rival million dollar challenge by that Sydney lawyer?

Randi: NO ….

Victor: And another thing, when highly credible scientists and lawyers can show the existence of the afterlife, your funding of one million dollars would have come through grants and collection from the gullible skeptical members of the public and other places who swallowed your propaganda hook, line and sinker … why should you GAMBLE with monies obtained for a Foundation – in some States it would be illegal to gamble with ‘charity’ cash … do you know if that is illegal in your State?

Randi: No, it’s not illegal …

Victor: You said you may not be conducting the initial test with the applicant .. who will be doing the test for you, someone reliable?

Randi: Yes, someone most reliable – a psychologist I’ve known for years and he’s highly qualified to conduct experiments … I trust him completely ..

Victor: One of your colleagues I presume?

Randi: Yes, he happens to be a colleague and I can trust him …

Victor: Can you name him now?

Randi: NO, I am not prepared to mention his name here …

Victor: Will you be at every psychic test?

Randi: Yes, of course …

Victor: Do you know what the EXPERIMENTER EFFECT is?

Randi: NO, and I don’t want to know …

Victor: Let me very briefly preface my next question: as someone who is ALLEGEDLY offering one million dollars, it is important to know what the ‘experimenter effect’ is – (Victor looking at his notes on his desk )… the accepted definition of ‘experimenter effect’ refers to a situation where if a closed-minded SKEPTIC experimenter conducts an experiment, he or she will inevitably obtain NEGATIVE results. Now is that why you do NOT want to talk about the ‘experimenter effect’?

Randi: I don’t believe in the ‘experimenter effect’ ...

Victor: Ever heard of Professor Marilyn Schlitz?

Randi: I don’t remember her …

Victor: Of course not! Professor Schlitz’ experiments on the ‘experimenter effect’ confirmed that neutral experimenters get positive results but a closed minded skeptic doing EXACTLY THE SAME experiment will always obtain negative results … do you not now see why you don’t want to know anything about the ‘experimenter effect’ and why your challenge is being treated as a great joke?

Randi: It’s not being treated as a joke …

Victor: You understand now why more professional psychics, mediums and afterlife investigators treat your challenge as a Mickey Mouse challenge- something to laugh at, something to ignore, something ridiculous which is perceived as pure ILLUSION?

Randi: I repeat, there’s no such thing as the experiment effect I say …

Victor: Tell us, would it not be correct to say that your contribution really has been a most negative one, spreading darkness everywhere, trying to negatively influence the gullible and those other skeptics who do not accept there is an afterlife … to elicit fear and hopelessness and despair? – On second thought – don’t even try to answer that – I withdraw that question … we’ll get more nonsense from you ….