VICTOR ZAMMIT CROSS-EXAMINES SKEPTIC James RANDI-
'THE CARLOS HOAX'
(This is a continuation
from part 5)
would be fairly close to a real cross-examination- the information
is taken from what closed-minded materialist J.Zwingi Randi
has ALREADY ACCEPTED and IMPLIED. Some very minor flexibility
and embellishment consistent with Zwingi Randi’s beliefs
and record have been used for easier reading and understanding
of the script. In no way this closed minded skeptic's beliefs
are misrepresented. Words in caps are there for emphasis
- very important in cross-examination).
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You're on record for showing that you are some kind of an
expert at organizing HOAXES. Right?
Randi: Yes ... I do things to show ...
Victor: YOU'VE ANSWERED THE QUESTION! YES YOU SAID!
Randi: ... Alright .... alright
Victor: And with all your expertise at at organizing HOAXES
does not the record show that you were not able to catch
just ONE gifted medium as fraud?
Randi: They're all frauds ...
Victor: Projecting again?... Let me quickly preface
the next question: the record shows that - you virtually
said you gave careful coaching to this Jose Alvarez in this
'CARLOS' HOAX. Sometime in 1987 you sent this fraud Jose
Alvarez to Australia for him to pose as a guru supposedly
channelling a thousand year old spirt and to deceive, to
lie, to be DISHONEST, to cheat, to get into a public nuisance,
Randi: That’s right
… but I don’t call it cheating, ... I call it
Victor: But you admit that
it was a HOAX?
Randi: ... yes, yes it
was a hoax ...
Victor: Are you trying to PLATE SIN WITH GOLD?
In other words, are you trying to say that a HOAX - which
means deception and dishonesty ... ought to be regarded
as a positive thing and that people should make dishonesty
and cheating socially acceptable?... yes or no ...
Randi: Yes ... I mean NO ... no ... but the hoax
Victor: The HOAX –
the MISREPRESENTATION, THE DISHONESTY, the CHEATING, the
FRAUD on to the people - ALL WERE SUCCESSFUL you say?
Randi: Yes it was ….
It was the media which promoted the affair …
Victor: Did you
not claim that national television
Channel 9 '60 minutes' television station contacted you
even before Alvarez left the United States?
Randi: Yes, I did ...
Victor: So, you CLAIM, you and Channel 9 '60 Minutes'
concocted this Carlos hoax. Do you know that 60 Minutes
Channel 9 completely DENIES that?
Randi: I communicated with
them and they responded ...
Victor: But according to the public record YOU
contacted the television station first ... right?
Randi: Yes, you could say that ...
Victor: Does not the record
show that this fraudulent Alvarez trained in dishonesty
by you was EXPOSED by Channel 9's
own 60 MINUTES television show journalist George Negus?
Randi: He was not exposed
Victor: Oh no? Then why,
according to published media reports, one of your stooges,
during the television interview, threw a glass of water
onto Channel 9 journalist George Negus’ face when
George Negus EXPOSED your stooge as a FRAUD?
Randi: (No answer …)
The humiliating exposing of your stooge was widedly publicised
... don't yo know that?
Randi: No, the hoax was successful
Victor: Didn't you know
that local experts briefed tough journalist George Negus
that Jose Alvarez was a FAKE, a cheat and a liar - that
he was saying the wrong things, waving his hands up and
down in a blatant unnatural, artificial and incompetent
and meaningless way - that this Alvarez very shortly was
seen as a joke trying to fool decent, honest people?
No, I don't accept that ..
Victor: What would you
say to the response given by Channel 9 that Channel 9 LEGALLY
did NOT and COULD NOT CO-OPERATE with
you, they received information about the event and they
just REPORTED the event as they’d report any bizarre
Randi: It must have been
under a different network manager …..
Victor: But you said just now that Channel 9 co-organized
the Carlos Affair HOAX with you to fool the public …
don’t you know that if a television or any media company
participates in deliberate public fraudulent conduct to
mislead and to deceive, it could pay heavy statutory monitory
penalties – over ONE MILLION DOLLARS
... and it could lose its television license
to broadcast nationally ...
.... and YOU
try to tell and impute to the court and the public that
Channel 9's SIXTY MINUTES program organized the Carlos HOAX
on your behalf or in conjuction with you to take
HUGE risks .... on some unemployed foreign tourist
called Alvarez residing in Bronx in the United States on
a very short visit to Sydney .... to INTENTIONALLY and deliberately
promote FRAUD and DISHONESTY ... and to participate in misleading
and DECEPTIVE CONCUCT TO CHEAT THE AUSTRALIAN PUBLIC?
(looks at the judge) Yes, yes …
Judge: (to Randi) Answer
the question …
Randi: Can't answer that ... Nobody
would be able to prove that anyone was deceived …
Victor: Don’t you
know that the relevant Federal statutory law – in
relation to misleading and fraudulent conduct – shows
that the complainant does NOT have to prove fraud, merely
to show that the conduct COULD be misleading, it COULD be
fraudulent – which in this case would be VERY easy
Randi: I don’t know
these things ...
Victor: I’m sure
the jury heard your answer to that one … Didn’t
you know that Australians are some ten times more skeptical
than Americans and they always use the 'presumption of fraud'
when some ALLEGED overseas guru visits Australia to fleece
them of their hard earned money?
Randi: I didn't know people
in Australia were that skeptical as you say they are …
Victor: Why don’t
you want to accept that whilst Alvarez might have fooled
a few people INITIALLY using deception and fraud, he was
EXPOSED as the GREATEST FRAUD who
ever visited Australia?
Randi: I still say that
the Carlos Affair was successful …
Victor: Do you mean you
were successful in the dishonesty, fraudulent and misleading
conduct and cheating you organized through your stooge Alvarez?
Randi: It wasn’t
Victor: YOU CONCEDED YOU
WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE HOAX – and is not a HOAX
about misleading and fooling
decent people, about dishonesty, fraud,
lying, cheating … is that your
contribution in this world as a human being?
Randi: (keeps quiet)…
It was honest ….
Victor: Yeah … doing
‘honest deception’ again …
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